Another Quiz Question..

Holger Christiansen · Post by **Holger Christiansen** » 19 Dec 2003, 18:57

Hi guys..

After Tobias postet some very nice Quiz Questions, here is one from me:

What is the maximum ammount of aggravated damage you can dish out with one strike?

Normal Deck Building rules, no help from other players

Männele · Post by **Männele** » 20 Dec 2003, 07:56

Holger Christiansen wrote:Hi guys..

After Tobias postet some very nice Quiz Questions, here is one from me:

What is the maximum ammount of aggravated damage you can dish out with one strike?

Normal Deck Building rules, no help from other players

Okay:

Lazverinus hd+2
depravity +1
Clan Impersonation to !Tori
Art of Pain +2
Clan Impersonation to Gangrel
Ritual Challenge +1
after that play 2 restorations (or get blood in another way)
Torn sup. +2
Fist of Death +2 x9 (for 9 blood) =+18
Claws of the Dead for agg.

means 27 aggravated

or

Meshenka plays 89 Horrid Form for +89 hand damage and plays one Vicissitudecard, which makes his (her) hd aggr with another +1 hd (I don't know the name).

means 91 aggravated damage with one strike.

Of course there are some ways of playing that one with Dragos, giving him POT with Hand of Conrad, playing 88 Fists of Death for free and one Burning wrath for 179 aggr. hd. but I think nobody wants to do that.

Anyone more?

Holger Christiansen · Post by **Holger Christiansen** » 20 Dec 2003, 10:43

Nice, but not yet the maximum possible

Erol · Post by **Erol** » 20 Dec 2003, 12:41

If it isnt in the first round, its very much=> Fire in the Blood

Dont forget the Trap And one Aggraveted Hand Strike!!!
The only other thing is that the other Minion has to Dodge each round, until both use their last card!

Holger Christiansen · Post by **Holger Christiansen** » 20 Dec 2003, 15:08

Erol wrote:If it isnt in the first round, its very much=> Fire in the Blood
Dont forget the Trap And one Aggraveted Hand Strike!!!
The only other thing is that the other Minion has to Dodge each round, until both use their last card!

Yes, you are right.. but because of that I said that the other Players may not help you..

But to work around that problem, lets chage the question to Round 1 or 2 of the combat (to allow things like Cauldron of Blood or Growing Fury)

Michael · Post by **Michael** » 21 Dec 2003, 20:56

Holger Christiansen wrote:
Erol wrote:If it isnt in the first round, its very much=> Fire in the Blood
Dont forget the Trap And one Aggraveted Hand Strike!!!
The only other thing is that the other Minion has to Dodge each round, until both use their last card!
Yes, you are right.. but because of that I said that the other Players may not help you..

But to work around that problem, lets chage the question to Round 1 or 2 of the combat (to allow things like Cauldron of Blood or Growing Fury)

My previous post seems not to have been send ...

lazverinus +2
89 Increased Strength +178
1 Burning Wrath +2, aggravated

macht 183

anyone more?

Michael · Post by **Michael** » 22 Dec 2003, 09:57

Holger Christiansen wrote:
Erol wrote:If it isnt in the first round, its very much=> Fire in the Blood
Dont forget the Trap And one Aggraveted Hand Strike!!!
The only other thing is that the other Minion has to Dodge each round, until both use their last card!
Yes, you are right.. but because of that I said that the other Players may not help you..

Even if your opponent does not help you, Cailean can go to very much damage alone by setting the range to long for every round (so both wave and noone goes to torpor before the big strike) until the last where he strikes:

1. Round: Trap, Fire in the blood
2. Round: Both Wave at long, Press from trap
3. Round: Both Wave at long, Press from trap
4. Round: Strike with undead strength #1 (at long), trap reset
repeat until ...
262. Round Strike with undead strength #87 (at long), trap reset
263. Round: Both Wave at long, Press from trap
264. Round: Both Wave at long, Press from trap
265. Round: set range close, Burning Wrath for 1 (Hand) +2 (BW) +265 (FitB) = 268 aggravated

Post by **Johannes** » 22 Dec 2003, 10:10

it gets even better when you reset the trap with another trap

i am just too lazy to calculate it

Michael · Post by **Michael** » 22 Dec 2003, 10:44

Thea Bell wrote:it gets even better when you reset the trap with another trap
i am just too lazy to calculate it

how does it get better ? you just amass presses, but more than that ... you still need a card played every three turns.

Holger Christiansen · Post by **Holger Christiansen** » 22 Dec 2003, 11:55

Michael wrote: Even if your opponent does not help you, Cailean can go to very much damage alone by setting the range to long for every round (so both wave and noone goes to torpor before the big strike) until the last where he strikes:

OK, you are right..

I haven't seen this possibility

But as stated above, I changed the question to the first two rounds of Combat..

And without any restrictions on the opposing Minion, you have found the best:

Michael wrote:lazverinus +2
89 Increased Strength +178
1 Burning Wrath +2, aggravated

macht 183

This works as well with Mateusz Gryzbowsky

If the opposing minion is a Kyasid (or anyone else with Cold Iron Vulnerability (is there anyone else?)), you can deal one point more:

Mateusz Gryzbowsky w/ Banshee Ironwail, (5 base)
88* Increased Strength (+176)
Pushing the Limits (+3)
=184 damage (aggravated against Kyasid)

Holger Christiansen · Post by **Holger Christiansen** » 22 Dec 2003, 12:12

I just had a nasty idea about that Fire in the Blood and Cailean:

Just pump him up with every discipline Card you can get on him, hunt until he is full (I just assume that he has a cap of 50 now and that you used 40 cards allready)

Now you need 49 Fire in the Blood, 1 Bone Spur

Round one: Trap, Fire in the Blood
Round two: Press
Round Three: Press
Round Four: Fire in the Blood
Round Five: Press
Round Six: Press
Round Seven: Fire in the Blood
...
Round 145: Fire in the Blood
Round 146: Press
Round 147: Press
Round 148: Bone Spur
Round 149: Press
Round 150: Press
Round 151: Short Range, Hit from Cailean for 1+151+148+145+142+...+7=3872 aggravated

Michael · Post by **Michael** » 22 Dec 2003, 12:43

Holger Christiansen wrote:I just had a nasty idea about that Fire in the Blood and Cailean:

Just pump him up with every discipline Card you can get on him, hunt until he is full (I just assume that he has a cap of 50 now and that you used 40 cards allready)

Now you need 49 Fire in the Blood, 1 Bone Spur

Round one: Trap, Fire in the Blood
Round two: Press
Round Three: Press
Round Four: Fire in the Blood
Round Five: Press
Round Six: Press
Round Seven: Fire in the Blood
...
Round 145: Fire in the Blood
Round 146: Press
Round 147: Press
Round 148: Bone Spur
Round 149: Press
Round 150: Press
Round 151: Short Range, Hit from Cailean for 1+151+148+145+142+...+7=3872 aggravated

I don't think he'll get to 50, not enough disciplines ...

But if you clan impersonate him to tremere and give him the ankara citadel, the fire in the blood cost 0 blood so you can play 86 of them to reset the traps to get to round 259 with a trap and then strike with a burning wrath for:

1+259+256+253+...7+4+2 = 11312

Now about that Flesh of Marble at superior ...

Tobias · Post by **Tobias** » 22 Dec 2003, 12:56

Michael wrote:
Holger Christiansen wrote:I just had a nasty idea about that Fire in the Blood and Cailean:

Just pump him up with every discipline Card you can get on him, hunt until he is full (I just assume that he has a cap of 50 now and that you used 40 cards allready)

Now you need 49 Fire in the Blood, 1 Bone Spur

Round one: Trap, Fire in the Blood
Round two: Press
Round Three: Press
Round Four: Fire in the Blood
Round Five: Press
Round Six: Press
Round Seven: Fire in the Blood
...
Round 145: Fire in the Blood
Round 146: Press
Round 147: Press
Round 148: Bone Spur
Round 149: Press
Round 150: Press
Round 151: Short Range, Hit from Cailean for 1+151+148+145+142+...+7=3872 aggravated
I don't think he'll get to 50, not enough disciplines ...

But if you clan impersonate him to tremere and give him the ankara citadel, the fire in the blood cost 0 blood so you can play 86 of them to reset the traps to get to round 259 with a trap and then strike with a burning wrath for:

1+259+256+253+...7+4+2 = 11312

Now about that Flesh of Marble at superior ...

Skin of Steel is even more funny. Cailean vs. March Halcyon.

Of course, you could just set the range to short twice....

Michael · Post by **Michael** » 22 Dec 2003, 13:03

Tobias wrote:
Michael wrote: 1+259+256+253+...7+4+2 = 11312

Now about that Flesh of Marble at superior ...
Skin of Steel is even more funny. Cailean vs. March Halcyon.

Or Uriah Winter: Skin of Steel, Hit for 1 and disarm

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