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Pascal Bertrand wrote:Re: Vidal vs. The grandest trick!?
#20856
Mateusz wrote:
Hi folks

We had a rules discussion on the german vekn forum about the following point:

Can Vidal jarbeuax recruit a harzomatuili (requiring an Archbishop or Cardinal) when using the grandest Trick? In other words: Is the trait "requires Archbishop" equal to "requires a vampire".

"Not for his special" (similarly, for his special, "requiring a baron" is different from "requiring an anarch"). [LSJ 20081124]
floppyzedolfin wrote:
> 5/ Now, the stupid one : Is " vampire" a non-infernal vampire trait ?

No.

> So, now, the stupid example : Vidal uses his cardtext to play The
> Grandest Trick, the action being, say, a bleed. His special cardtext
> still applies : Vidal (the ally) can meet the clan, sect, or non-
> infernal vampire trait requirements to play a card.
> He plays a !Nosferatu-requiring (Gang Tactics, for instance) card. If
> the answer to the question 5/ (the stupid one) is "yes", Vidal faking
> to be a vampire when he fakes to be an ally cannot play a !Ventrue-
> requiring (Innocent Bystander, for instance) card any more.

You lost me.

He can bleed and play Grandest Trick and then Gang Tactics. (Or the other way
'round).
If the bleed is successful, then he can play Innocent Bystander.

Mateusz wrote:Ok, habs in vekn.net gepostet und die Antwort, wenn ich sie richtig interpretiere gibt mir recht, es funktioniert.

LSJ wrote:
> 2. The Grandest Trick states: Only usable on an ation that doesn't cost
> blood or require a vampire, clan or Discipline. Can the action be one that
> requires a non- clan specific title, such as Eternal Vigilance or War Party?
> Does the vampire lose his/ her titles during the action?

No.
Yes.
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